When the shows for the 2025 Codfish season started getting announced I was thrilled to see Murder By Death on that list, however this year’s show announcement was a bit more bittersweet than the past 2 shows they’ve played here as it was going to be a stop on their farewell tour. After over two decades as a band, Murder By Death was finally calling it quits. While they played their first show in 2000, it wasn’t until 2005 when the song, “Until Morale Improves, The Beatings Will Continue” showed up on the third installment of Atticus’ Dragging The Lake compilation that I would be aware of this Indiana group. The song was released a few years prior on the band’s second full-length album, Who Will Survive and What Will Be Left of Them, which was released by Eyeball Records, an indie label partly owned by Geoff Rickley of Thursday, that has put out some of my favorite post-hardcore/mathcore albums of the early-late 2000’s. It’s also incredibly fitting that this song, which first exposed me to Murder By Death, also featured Iowa native William Elliott Whitmore, who was the first musician I interviewed for these Codfish Conversations in May.
I first saw Murder By Death in Iowa City, at a building that was temporarily known as The Picador, but is best known as Gabe’s. This venue was a catalyst of sorts for myself, the space where I saw my first punk show with a touring band on my 16th birthday, and a venue I still get excited to revisit. That late night, well over a decade removed from the present, saw the “spooky western” sounds of Murder By Death chased with shots of whiskey, and while the final show didn’t feature the burn of bourbon, at least for this barn attendee, the late-July heat provided more than enough warmth for the Codfish crowd to say goodbye to these Midwestern musicians. Though, thanks to the Q&A segment prior to their performance, I have it on good authority that they will be making yet another return to the Hollow in the coming years.
The night came to a close with the final note of “Alas”, while Adam Turla crooned out the final line, “Alas I must go”, and with a final bow, the houselights kicked on, and the barn began to empty out. The crowd once again began to converse with one another as they made their way beyond the bubble machines still kicking out their soapy celebrations into the star-laden sky. Yet before this final bow, before the first note of the night in fact, Adam Turla sat down with me to discuss everything from his cinematic approach to songwriting to 90’s sensation, Björk.
(The beginning of this is a bit different than the past interviews, as my phone decided not to record the first two questions, which were then somewhat-briefly revisited to make sure we still got the necessary information recorded. Thanks to Adam for agreeing to this interview, fitting it in before the band answered even more questions from the crowd, and working with the little hiccup at the beginning. This is all a learning process, but it’s been great getting to connect with some artists I have long enjoyed in this way.)
Matthew: Let’s start off with an introduction, which seems odd on a farewell tour, but not all listeners are familiar. Who you are? How long have you been playing, and where do you call home?
Adam: Well, I'll just go back. So I live in Louisville. My name is Adam. I sing and play guitar. Started the band…I started making music with one of the members in late ‘99, and then we played our first show in April 2000 and that was in Bloomington, Indiana.
Matthew: As a professional artist myself, I understand that sometimes the answer is simply that there was no other choice, but why did you become a musician? What or who originally got you interested in music?
Adam: I started playing, because my buddy started playing guitar, and I got a $20 garage sale guitar that I started learning on, and we would just play, like, Nirvana songs and just try to figure out how to make it work, yeah. And then I started this band four and a half years later when I was 18.
Matthew: Okay, awesome. Like we said, doing it your whole adult life up to this point, yeah. So How would you describe the sound you make?
Adam: So when somebody asks, it's usually in some sort of, like, at the bank, or, like, you know, some situation where somebody is like, what is this? It’s like, it's a rock band. And I always say something like, it's not as scary as it sounds, right? Well, what kind of music is it? And you have to say something. And so years ago, I settled on, I say spooky Western. I think it's like, it's not what I set out to do, but it at least evokes something that is close enough to what not all, but a lot of our songs are.
Matthew: Yeah, I've definitely described you guys as, like, Gothic Western
Adam: If it's somebody who's, like, my age or younger, I usually just say indie, because that's like, when we started, we're whatever, we're an indie band. We were scene kids, when we were teenagers, like, we were very in the indie scene but now indie music hasn't existed since basically the internet. So it's like, it's just not the same, like, the culture of the scene is kind of gone. When Spotify exists, it's just not the same. It's used now to describe, a style, an affectation. Not a DIY lifestyle. So now I don't say it as much, but the funny thing is that we're actually like, musically and philosophically in the way we operate, we actually are a very indie band, DIY, or whatever. Which is funny, because, I did not think that we were such an outlier when we started, but we just kind of, there's just not many people doing it the way we do it.
Murder By Death at 80/35 in 2019
Matthew: Where do you find inspiration for your music? Has that inspiration changed as you’ve grown?
Adam: Movie and literature have always played a really big part in the way that I think about songs, because the way that I write songs is that I try to set scenes and have the music and the lyrics express what you would have expressed through different devices, you know, whether it was like painting or, you know, a movie. And so, when we're working on a song, I'll talk with the group, and I'll be like, this is the mood. These are like keywords. This is what we're trying to evoke. This is what I'm trying to communicate…like a storyboard. And so we think of things, I think a little differently when we write too, because we have such a cinematic approach to the songs. When I started hearing people, maybe, like, 20 years ago, say, “The Hook” a lot, I was just like, kill me. The idea of writing a song to write a hook, it's just such a consumer, capitalist way to think about making something, and you should be making a song because you were inspired, you had an idea that you wanted to try to flesh out, and you want to communicate it. But I think it just shows that when people say that, I immediately distrust them as a creator. Because your goals are very different….I was about to say I don't judge them, but it sounds like I'm judging them, and maybe I am a little bit. I don't think that people shouldn't be able to make music like that, but I do think that there is a distinction… I think you're going to end up with very different results depending on the reasons and the way that you craft your art. And every once in a while, though somebody's good at like, all of it. I mean, we played First Avenue last night, and it's like, well, Prince could both be an artist and craft a pop song, so it's like, if you're really on that level, good for you, right? If you can be both. David Bowie is an example. It's like, well, but some people got it all
Matthew: Yeah, lucky them
Adam: And us, for getting to listen
Matthew: This certainly isn’t your first time here, and there’s a reason so many people return. What keeps you returning here and helps it stand out from other venues, beyond the obvious fact that it’s a barn?
Adam: It's the heart. You know, we were just talking about this. So today is the last day of a five week tour. We're going home tomorrow. We'll leave early in the morning and drive home and I don't book, but I plan the tours. So I decide where we're playing, you know what the route is, and everything. I wanted to end this leg here because I knew that we were going to be really tired, we were pretty tired going up on stage last night. We're right at the end, but not quite done. I knew that this would give everybody a boost, because we love it, and the vibe in there's fun, the audience is fun. Everybody hosting and working is here to have a good time. Sarah and I go to the drive-in a lot when we're home. We love the drive-ins
Matthew: Yeah there’s one about 5 miles from here.
Adam: And this has drive-in vibes, like, in the sense that, it's not about the money, it's about the community, and the spirit of it.
Matthew: Yeah, the passion for what you're doing,
Adam: Yeah. And so, you know, I think that it's just got heart. I think those are the things that, especially in our highly commercial and awful times that we live in, I think that anything with heart or earnestness, that's just putting yourself out there, I'm like, preserve that.
Adam Turla at Codfish Hollow 2025
Matthew: So obviously, after two decades, I'm sure this wasn't easy bringing this to a close, Had this been a long-time decision, and does a tour feel different? I mean, obviously…How does the tour feel different?
Adam: We decided during the pandemic that we needed to have a plan, because it just really caught us with our pants down. And, you know, there's no protections for artists in this country. We couldn't get unemployment, even though our business generates millions and millions of dollars of sales tax, tax credit money, you know, the restaurants and the hotels near the venues, all the ticketing fees, it's millions of dollars. And like, that is not acknowledged in any way as employment. Us and all musicians are driving economies in a large way and supporting the infrastructure around the venues, the idea that, I couldn't get unemployment was such a slap in the face. I remember thinking we're just like, suddenly in debt, because if we had to go home from the tour.
Matthew: Were you guys in the middle of touring when it happened?
Adam: We were out in the middle of the biggest tour we'd ever been on, and it was just fucked. And so, short version is we said, you know what, I think it's time to re-examine. So we decided to just do less shows every year, but then in 2025 to do a farewell knowing that things could possibly change. You know, it's like we're not independently wealthy, we needed it to go right. But this year has been going great, and the tour's so good that Sarah and I are joking, like, man, if it was this good every night, like, every night has been outstanding. If it was this good all the time it might be easier, because we've been able to have more help on this tour. Like, we've got an extra vehicle, extra people out. It's just easier than it's been. I mean, we still all got sick, and like, you know, we're run down, and yeah, we're not home. We keep laughing, we're like, it's a trick because it's so good. We know it's a trick because it's only this good because we're saying goodbye. So we know that, but the truth is that we are continuing to do our cave shows every year (in Pelham, TN), which is an annual meetup we do. And so we're gonna do that one weekend every year as a meet up for a way that we can hang out together, make some art, and entertain some people.
Murder By Death answering questions during a Q&A at Codfish Hollow
Matthew: Going more into the farewell tour. Has there been more time put into constructing the set list every night? Are you getting into more deep cuts that you normally haven't played?
It's a mixture. Because, that's my job, and it was brutal trying to craft the set, because it's a 25-year career. Probably like 150 original songs at least. And I kept going back and forth, but what I decided to do is when we announced the tour, I just looked at all the posts, and anytime someone was, like, play this song here, I made a note, and then I just tried to, take that into account, and, all the requests, I actually, notated them. I certainly am not doing them all. And there are songs that we just can't do anymore because it's just not the right like, no one, is asking for it but this one person. So you're giving up another song that 20 people asked for, but there are a couple of times where I was like, Okay, we'll do this one, just to do it. We’ve played a lot of different tunes. Some are deeper cuts. There are the obvious ones that, like you, just got to play. You start to realize, man, they really want to hear that song every night. It's an honor. Even though we play this one all the time, it's still an honor for people to want it.
Matthew: What's the best piece of advice you've ever received from another musician or that you would give to any up-and-coming musicians?
Adam: I mean, the advice that I would give is easier, which is that I tell people, there's a culture of being like, too cool to talk about the money in this industry, and I am of the opposite philosophy. Because musicians are chronically taken advantage of. So I tell people, suck it up, learn how to run a business. Learn how to run your business. Figure out what matters to you and what your ethics and values are, and run your business the way that you expect other businesses you might support to run them. If you understand what your most popular shirt is, then you'll know to keep that one in stock. And if you understand what your expectations are per show, then you know you won't be disappointed. I go into every night knowing what the fuck is happening, and it helps me set expectations and also set goals. It helps me set goals for my bandmates. Because if you're a leader, if you're the person who's in charge, you have obligations to your people you work with, that work for you, or with you, and so in order to do a good job, you just have to learn how to run the business, because otherwise it's gonna get frittered away, because it's very easy, because everybody's taking a cut before the band gets paid.
Matthew: Are there any bands or musicians you've been listening to that you think would surprise people or that you think people should know more about?
Adam: I have not listened to any music on this tour because we just hear in the venues it all the time. One of the musicians that I listen to a lot that sometimes surprises people is I love Bjork. That's one that’s a big inspiration. Often when I'm writing I’m thinking about how she writes. So I don't use it all the time, but it's worked its way lyrically or melodically into the music. So that's probably the best answer.
Matthew: Okay. And then finally, I know you kind of mentioned that there'll still be the yearly shows. Are there any other plans for music
Adam: No, the goal is to not have any plans like that, but if I have time, then that'll be great. The goal is to not have every minute of my life mapped out infinitely.
Matthew: After 25 years I’m sure that’s like a vacation almost.
Adam: Yeah. I've always known what the next thing is. Like the longest period there's ever been until the next completely life encompassing thing is three months. And you would get home from a thing and you'd have three months off, but you know that 90 days later you're fucked. Whatever normalcy you achieved in those three months is disrupted again.
Matthew: Yeah it's enough to get you back into a groove.
Adam: Yeah so you got to learn to live with the whole change and be flexible, but also, you know that's not a long time, 90 days, and to have never had something else, it’s kind of wild. So I'm looking forward to the new experience.
Matthew: All right. Awesom3 Well, that's all I had, but I appreciate you again doing this.
Adam: Yeah, no problem. Good questions.
Matthew: Thank you.